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Apparently there is a similar Arab proverb: "Hate the sin, not the sinner." I also found a Yoruba proverb that shifts the focus to understanding and empathy: "If someone wrongs you, look into their heart." And a Swahili proverb: "Wisdom is wealth; do not curse people but their deeds." The difficulty in witnessing the ongoing violence in Israel/ Palestine, for me, is that I feel so far removed and yet so very much implicated due to world history as well as the economic implications of the US (and other countries). I also find it difficult to identify and name key players in these events for those reasons. Who is the sinner? Who is being wronged? I appreciate your thoughts here, Judy, as you strive to understand and not jump to conclusions, ideological or event-wise.

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Thanks for your ongoing reflections. I am finding them helpful. ....... One of the things I have been exploring in recent years is the language we use when talking about political, religious, social differences. ........ Background: I grew up in a family with political and religious differences. (I saw my mother and father walk to the polls together to cancel each others vote...one for Roosevelt, the other for Dewey. My parents came from different religious traditions and later, in the 60s) I participated in the 'post-Vatican/pre-Vatican discussions among American Roman Catholic sisters and some of the early philosophy of liberation and feminist philosophy conferences while at the same time knowing colleagues who thought both to be aberrations to be from the 'real tradition'. And over time, I learned and made changes to my language and discussion style so that dialogue could take place. ........ Now, by no means do I consider myself politically expert on ....well, really any topic but especially the Middle East. But I am struck by a number of things. .......... 1. The modern state of Israel was created by the UN after WWII. (Reparation, guilt...I do not know but a safe homeland for Jews was, I think the motive. ) 2. As far as I know the current residents of the area were not consulted or polled But "Resolution 181 was emphatically rejected by the local Arab population and the Arab States. Denying the Jewish people's right to a state of their own, the Arab countries openly declared their intention of preventing the creation of the Jewish State by all means." As far as I know the nations in favor of a Jewish State did not deal with this opposition....instead there was a vote and that 'decided the issue'. Israel was established. ....... 3. HAMAS is an Iran backed group (many say 'terrorist group") that emerged in 1987 during the first Palestinian uprising, or intifada, as an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestinian branch. The group is committed to armed resistance against Israel and the creation of an Islamic Palestinian state in Israel's place. It is clear that they do not accept the UN's creation of a Jewish State and yes, as far as I can tell they want it eliminated. ..................... 4. Allies of Hamas are Iran Qatar. Sudan (until 2019, occasionally since 2023) Syria (until 2011, again since 2022) and Turkey which does not consider Hamas a terrorist group. This is very different from Al Queda who except for the Taliban in Afghanistan had no support from other countries. Also, "China does not consider Hamas ruling the Gaza Strip as a terrorist organization, and officially supports the creation of a "sovereign and independent Palestinian state" based on the 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital." So, my understanding is that the roots are grounded in the UN's decision to create Israel after WWII. ......

5. Later, The Arab Israeli war of 1967 was initiated after Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran...thus blocking Israel's access to the Red Sea AND closing Jordan's only port. https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/ea/97187.htm#:~:text=The%20war%20began%20on%20June,Jerusalem%20and%20the%20West%20Bank.

6. So the current fighting was initiated by Hamas, a group dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Israel responded to Hamas' aggression and Hamas taking civilian hostages. BUT what has made things catastrophic for the Palestinian people is that Hamas has built its infrastructure under Palestinian cites so when Israel tries to attack Hamas it is attacking Palestinians and the land under which Hamas has its facilities. (There is a whole area of ethics devoted to the morality of negative unintended effects of action ) ................

So what happens now? . When the Taliban attacked the USA on Sept 11, the US responded with going to war with Afghanistan. The toll was great: "The U.S. government spent $2.3 trillion, and the war led to the deaths of 2,324 U.S. military personnel, 3,917 U.S. contractors and 1,144 allied troops. For Afghans, the statistics are nearly unimaginable: 70,000 Afghan military and police deaths, 46,319 Afghan civilians (although that is likely a significant underestimation) and some 53,000 opposition fighters killed. Almost 67,000 other people were killed in Pakistan in relation to the Afghan war." So that is OUR history dealing with a terrorist attack...and unlike the Israelis NO Americans were taken hostage, raped or tortured as has been done to Israelis by Hamas. ..........

When I consider the US response to a Taliban attack( an attack that caused much destruction and death but included No taking of hostages, No rape of our people and No tortures of hostages, I can not understand...simply do not understand the widespread condemnation of Israel's response. ..... Should we not be condemning the perpetrators of the attack AND the fact that they built their military headquarters under land occupied by ordinary Palestinians who are non-combatants? Should we not be putting sanctions in place to both degrade Hamas's ca[abilities and to encourage the Palestinian people to evict this terrorist group from their territory? Should we not be reaching out to other states in the region to see if they can intervene so as to prevent further aggressive acts by Hamas? and to set up a mechanism that will enable Israel, that was established by the UN, to live in peace with their Palestinian neighbors and the rest of the Arab world? . I do not understand....I just do not. And I keep making comparisons to our own terrorist attack and our response to it back those years ago on Sept 11. Thanks for reading and I welcome your ideas.

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